tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post575205514249355005..comments2019-06-07T18:31:32.326+00:00Comments on Scorpio Risen: More about leg-shavingAmyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-7186273691925476962007-04-29T04:41:00.000+00:002007-04-29T04:41:00.000+00:00I don't shave my legs simply because I'm too lazy....I don't shave my legs simply because I'm too lazy. Sometimes I'll do it just because I'm bored in the tub, or I use it as an excuse to stay in the tub longer. I never thought about shaving as a form of control though. My boyfriend doesn't really care that I don't shave (he says he can't feel my hair, or my shaved legs, against his own hairy legs anyways). I get shit from my sisters, my (girl)cousins, my aunts and girlfriends because of my hairy legs, unwaxed eyebrows, etc. In my opinion, it's not only men that set these kinds of standards for women to adhere to, it's also women too.Milkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03112419318852339091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-39624782018648507072007-04-16T14:05:00.000+00:002007-04-16T14:05:00.000+00:00Aye, Joy, I agree with you :)And thanks.Yeah, I re...Aye, Joy, I agree with you :)<BR/>And thanks.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I really did get the feeling that they hadn't read my post at all. <BR/>And if they did, they didn't have the knowledge of feminist of theory to understand it. Because, it wasn't a post for Feminist Beginners. Ah well.<BR/>And I didn't mention the word "oppression" either, so psch.<BR/>I'm moderating now, so it's all cool :)<BR/>xAmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-89318099701179962882007-04-16T14:01:00.000+00:002007-04-16T14:01:00.000+00:00AmyI like reading your blog. The people banging o...Amy<BR/>I like reading your blog. The people banging on about leg-shaving are wasting your time, though. They don't appear to take on board your remarks (and on this particular topic you were making a tentative exploration, it seems to me, yet they have jumped on you like a ton of bricks.) I'd like to hear more of what you have to say, on this topic and on others, but I hope you won't let them take up all your time on this diversionary tactic. It would be fine if they came up with valid comments or if they genuinely wanted to join with you in an attempt to understand the patriarchy which oppresses men and women, but from what I read of their remarks they are limiting themselves to en bloc insults and generic red herrings just to divert you and keep you from your own thoughts while they oblige you to answer their log jam comments. It's damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don't the way they play it - if you answer them they generate more spam and if you don't they insult you or accuse you. Therefore, don't feel guilty about closing the topic and moving on with something else if you wish, don't feel obligated to answer everything they say, in my opinion it's just a wind-up, they're taking advantage of your good nature.<BR/>JoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-81654134496689141922007-04-15T09:57:00.000+00:002007-04-15T09:57:00.000+00:00Lexy, your comment confused me a bit.Possibly beca...Lexy, your comment confused me a bit.<BR/>Possibly because I have pretty much only just woken up and haven't had any coffee yet.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that women don't have body hair whereas men do.<BR/>Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you said, but I'm saying this male=hairy, female=hairless divide is socially constructed by internalised beliefs and socialised norms about how women should be.<BR/><BR/>Laura - you're right, they do completely undermine their argument, if you can call it that. <BR/>I have deleted some comments, for being so out of line, and completely irrelevent to the topic.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-78297733303285801472007-04-15T09:48:00.000+00:002007-04-15T09:48:00.000+00:00i don't see how leg shaving is about women express...i don't see how leg shaving is about women expressing their biological differences from men. women's leg hair is different from men's leg hair, true, but it definitely exists. there are many differences between women's bodies and men's bodies, but none of those differences is that women don't have leg hair - we do! why not admit to it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-34658795642179558012007-04-15T04:11:00.000+00:002007-04-15T04:11:00.000+00:00One again, FredX and co undermine their own moveme...One again, FredX and co undermine their own movement more and more with every word they spout by making men look like a bunch of ignorant, agressive, immature little whingers. <BR/><BR/>Delete them, they're pathetic.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807325093106702912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-13120338990725880432007-04-14T19:50:00.000+00:002007-04-14T19:50:00.000+00:00Sounds to me like youre the one with the erection ...Sounds to me like youre the one with the erection "anonymous" (though I doubt all these MRA's have that many visitors, Id bet its the bloggers themselves). And what a disappointing sight that erection of yours must be, eh? Is that why youre here, now? Perhaps because you are angry that you are.... lacking in that particular area. Though I shouldn’t bother arguing with you, if not for the reason that Im on amy’s blog, then the reason that you might actually make me more stupid simply by interacting with you. Have a bad life will you? You deserve it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-87489072803772563542007-04-14T19:24:00.000+00:002007-04-14T19:24:00.000+00:00Phleg, I thought you'd like that tribute. And plea...Phleg, I thought you'd like that tribute. And please keep your erection down my friend, it'll bang into Amy's arse if you're not careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-54915948240109460252007-04-14T19:14:00.000+00:002007-04-14T19:14:00.000+00:00And this is the same piece of shit that screams ab...And this is the same piece of shit that screams about how feminists ban him for being such a fuck stain? He really should take away that extra ten years he has added to his profile, even though a thirteen-year-old writes better than he does, and as such is an insult to them. I hope you ban all these little fucks amy, because Im surprised you have had the perseverance to tolerate their shit until now. <BR/><BR/>Let them stick to their own sites where they can make up shit about how men are oppressed by society, so they can feel better about themselves and their worthless shitty lives and their cause which will never make an ounce of fucking difference. That is if they actually have a fucking cause beyond childish trolling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-45831643697630262922007-04-14T18:14:00.000+00:002007-04-14T18:14:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-16034195556010389112007-04-14T18:00:00.000+00:002007-04-14T18:00:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.lucia vegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04884255486157807785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-12282356409599980962007-04-14T17:04:00.000+00:002007-04-14T17:04:00.000+00:00"Ah, yeh I see what you mean there. I mean, curren..."Ah, yeh I see what you mean there. I mean, currently women can't have it all, because feminism hasn't achieved enough."<BR/><BR/>Fair enough as far as your response goes, baffling when the idea intersects with reality, hence my comments about a feminist lie. Before I start with my exploration of this idea, I would like to know from a self-professed feminist what it means for you to "have it all?" Moving on, for instance: Any given person has a finite amount of time during the day. To some degree, we see that supply of time as our possession, one which must be spent. We concern ourselves with spending the time well, since action or inaction are irrelevant, the time will flow, and eventually we will die. We concern ourselves with spending the time well, so that we will not lament poorly spend time. As an aside, I believe that this may the whole theory behind a prison, to force a person to spend their time poorly. Anyway, we all choose the way to spend our time in the way that we see the most benefit. If I want good health, I must devote a certain amount of time to the maintenance of that health. I might enjoy sitting at home and watching movies more than exercising, but I much prefer making a partial sacrifice of my time to dying of a heart attack at a young age. I can't have both in full, I can only have pieces of both. I also may want to spend my time watching movies, but I also must devote some time to working for money which will allow me to live. I prefer working for some wealth, to being poor. I can't really have both 100% leisure, and 0% work. I prefer changing the flat tire, to being trapped in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps I would prefer it if someone else would change the flat tire, and that way I wouldn't have to do any work, but I would still prefer being home than being stuck in the middle of nowhere. I can't really have both, nobody can.<BR/><BR/>"Yes, I call myself a feminist. But, there are many different strands of feminism, many different opinions. I may have some common belief with many of these feminists, but I do believe each feminist has his or her own personal feminism, which is influenced by their own experiences and whatnot."<BR/><BR/>Again, very nice in theory, absolutely bunk in practice. Society has become plenty misandrist and nothing but. The radicals are running the show, and as long as they do, they will always speak for feminism. Perhaps there really are a multitude of voices in feminism, but the one which shouts the loudest is the only one that society hears. And for the past twenty years at least, that voice has shouted nothing but the hatred of men. This is something only feminism can fix, but since most are unwilling, the task fall to the Men's rights movement.<BR/><BR/>"I'm not condemning you for your preferences."<BR/><BR/>Okay, I can accept that. I did however detect a hint of scorn, but I can drop it. I would suspect that many feminists however, would condemn us for our preferences.<BR/><BR/>"I realise that there are some women who prefer to have shaven bodies, I just wonder whether this is because it is the norm in our contemporary society. If it wasn't the norm, would they, and would you, still prefer shaven legs and bodies?"<BR/><BR/>I don't know, but I don't think it's an either or question. The ancient Egyptians used to shave all their body hair for health reasons, and something I didn't know about Islam: it's apparently recommended to remove your body hair. I think it's more complicated, and probably pretty personal too than a question of social norms.<BR/><BR/>"But while, our legs are shaven and resemble pre-pubescence, and while part of this is for male attention, male objectification, and while the maintainance of the perfect feminine appearance, and the concern and worry of it all, takes up women's time and energy and whatnot, women will be seen as more vain and narcissistic, even less threatening (to the accepted norms of society at least), bla bla bla..."<BR/><BR/>So... It gives us license to hate you? I find this rather odd, and it's probably hard to articulate, because it's hard to understand. I think your interpretation is a little off, but I'll leave it for now, it bears more thought.TimberWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435295482438507502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-64048636606783212382007-04-14T16:51:00.000+00:002007-04-14T16:51:00.000+00:00Canadian Liberal, you have been quite civil compar...Canadian Liberal, you have been quite civil compared to your Friends Fred X and Feminist Scum, so Im not eager to cross over to open hostility again. However, I do find your somewhat "know it all" attitude irritating. I can see from your blog you are in the exact same vein as your friends, but go about it with a little more reason.<BR/><BR/>What I mean to say is you are also being somewhat contradictory here, in that some of the comments made on your own blog are absent of any of the reason you seem to want to convey here. I just dont think you should be so quick to try and take the high ground.<BR/><BR/>Again Im not trying to be outright hostile here, and its not my blog either, but I still feel that way. Lets not forget you and your friends have come here with all the hostility, and I think you should take a little bit of the responsibility for that.<BR/><BR/>Yet another anonymous here is a perfect example....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-26874403936451591572007-04-14T16:30:00.000+00:002007-04-14T16:30:00.000+00:00"And by the way, I am hetero. Could y'all stop usi...<I>"And by the way, I am hetero. Could y'all stop using stupid stereotypes and assumptions, that because a feminist doesn't shave her legs, she must be a lesbian."<BR/><BR/>Here, you emphasize your heterosexuality.</I><BR/><BR/>I do that because I <B>hate</B> stereotypes, especially those pertaining to feminism and feminists. Yes, I did wonder at the time whether I should just ignore the comment, due to its irrelevence, but, the stereotype thing.<BR/><BR/><I>"You've contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. "I know that women can't have it all." okay. "But it's partly because feminism hasn't achieved ENOUGH yet for women to have it all." </I><BR/><BR/>Ah, yeh I see what you mean there. I mean, currently women can't have it all, because feminism hasn't achieved enough. <BR/><BR/><I>I beg to differ. Do you call yourself a feminist? I assume you do, however, if you do not, then I will graciously admit that I have made an incorrect assumption, and offer you an apology. <BR/><BR/>But.<BR/><BR/>Since I'm reasonably certain that you do call yourself a feminist, then I must point out that I haven't put words into your mouth at all. Andrew Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Marilyn French, Linda Gordon, Robin Morgan, and Simone de Beauvoir have all been putting words into your mouth for decades longer than I've been alive. If you don't like people speaking for you, then you should loose the label, and speak for yourself. You may not want to accept it, but they have, and this is strongly reflected in law.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I call myself a feminist. But, there are many different strands of feminism, many different opinions. I may have some common belief with many of these feminists, but I do believe each feminist has his or her own personal feminism, which is influenced by their own experiences and whatnot. <BR/><BR/><I>So I have amused you have I? You've posted a number of comments which in their own way have encouraged further commentary. </I><BR/><BR/>No, <B>you</B> haven't amused me. Your responses have been mature, eloquent, and whatnot. <BR/><BR/>I have posted comments, because certain things have triggered responses from me.<BR/><BR/>I'm not condemning you for your preferences. I realise that there are some women who <B>prefer</B> to have shaven bodies, I just wonder whether this is because it is the norm in our contemporary society. If it wasn't the norm, would they, and would you, still prefer shaven legs and bodies?<BR/><BR/><I>But you still haven't managed to answer my question, what does the patriarchy get out of lowering your self-esteem? Compliance? To what end? What do we get out of it?</I><BR/><BR/>I found this bit hard to articulate, which was why I wasn't particularly expansive in my post. I may expand on it a bit more another day. <BR/><BR/>But while, our legs are shaven and resemble pre-pubescence, and while part of this is <B>for</B> male attention, male objectification, and while the maintainance of the perfect feminine appearance, and the concern and worry of it all, takes up women's time and energy and whatnot, women will be seen as more vain and narcissistic, even less threatening (to the accepted norms of society at least), bla bla bla...<BR/>Well, like I said, it's hard to articulate.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-66366932597260362072007-04-14T16:14:00.000+00:002007-04-14T16:14:00.000+00:00"but please remind me where these statements are, ..."but please remind me where these statements are, because I don't remember them."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I read into your comments a touch more than was immediately obvious. Since you asked, I'll elaborate.<BR/><BR/>"And by the way, I am hetero. Could y'all stop using stupid stereotypes and assumptions, that because a feminist doesn't shave her legs, she must be a lesbian."<BR/><BR/>Here, you emphasize your heterosexuality. You could have simply ignored the comments, but chose not to. This points at least in part, to your subconscious desires. Granted, I'm sure that you also wanted to accomplish what you stated, but there was more to it than that. No need to second guess yourself, but it does tell me something about you.<BR/><BR/>"and why are you letting people comment here who are attacking you, amy let alone responding to them?"<BR/><BR/>Indeed why? <BR/><BR/>"Because they have a right to free speech, UNTIL they cross a certain line."<BR/><BR/>Ostensibly true, but that doesn't really answer the question. We could happily discuss this on our own web-spaces, making the issue of freedom of speech irrelevant. Yet we are here, and you are doing relatively little to discourage us. Either way, your second comment reveals something more.<BR/><BR/>"Plus, they're funny.<BR/>Makes me laugh.<BR/>Ah, trolls. Funny tings."<BR/><BR/>So I have amused you have I? You've posted a number of comments which in their own way have encouraged further commentary. The fact that your still at it, indicates that you're enjoying the personal attention. And there's nothing wrong with that. <BR/><BR/>"Sorry to be such a threat an' all! ;)"<BR/>"Unless you feel threatened. Or something."<BR/>"Yet, they feel so threatened."<BR/><BR/>What exactly gave you that impression? I certainly couldn't care less about women do to their legs. I have my desires, but they're mine, and mine alone, and I don't feel a particular need to share them with you, or anyone. These statements would seem to be antagonistic in nature, you are provoking a reaction from us, and getting what your subconscious wants. <BR/><BR/>"I do not personally CARE if I am attractive to men or not."<BR/><BR/>Yes you do.<BR/><BR/>"And I don't have any problems with attracting a guy I want, hairy legs or not."<BR/><BR/>Why assert it if you don't care? You care. You're trying to see this as me finding fault, which I am not doing. There's nothing wrong with caring about your appearance. <BR/><BR/>"I HAVE accepted myself the way I am. So don't you tell me that I haven't."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps. I'm not so easily convinced. <BR/><BR/>"And I know that women can't exactly have it all. But that's not feminism lying. It's really not. I would go into it, but I have other stuff to say. But, it's partly because feminism hasn't achieved ENOUGH yet for women to have it all."<BR/><BR/>You've contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. "I know that women can't have it all." okay. "But it's partly because feminism hasn't achieved ENOUGH yet for women to have it all." *sigh* No matter what feminism manages to do to men, it won't happen. Feminism collides with reality. This should be fun.<BR/><BR/>"I'm NOT saying that there's anything wrong with men. I haven't fucking said that. Don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say."<BR/><BR/>I beg to differ. Do you call yourself a feminist? I assume you do, however, if you do not, then I will graciously admit that I have made an incorrect assumption, and offer you an apology. <BR/><BR/>But.<BR/><BR/>Since I'm reasonably certain that you do call yourself a feminist, then I must point out that I haven't put words into your mouth at all. Andrew Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Marilyn French, Linda Gordon, Robin Morgan, and Simone de Beauvoir have all been putting words into your mouth for decades longer than I've been alive. If you don't like people speaking for you, then you should loose the label, and speak for yourself. You may not want to accept it, but they have, and this is strongly reflected in law.<BR/><BR/>"The feminist route isn't about eschewing men. That is the seperatist feminist route. Don't just generalise."<BR/><BR/>No need, the law does so for me.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad your self-esteem has improved, that's positive. But you still haven't managed to answer my question, what does the patriarchy get out of lowering your self-esteem? Compliance? To what end? What do we get out of it?TimberWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435295482438507502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-28991206569824100772007-04-14T15:56:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:56:00.000+00:00I know how this may look, but I have decided to de...I know how this may look, but I have decided to decline.<BR/><BR/>Like I said earlier (however, I have paraphrased, toned down the language, since that is what you have done) "I won't dignify anything of what you have to say on your anti-feminist blog by commenting on your blog." (Talk about paraphrasing!!!)<BR/><BR/>The thing is, I'm <B>not</B> trying to convert you, or Fred. For one thing, it is quite clear that our views are too polarised, and a debate would be futile and turn ugly. I have better things to do. <BR/><BR/>I just don't feel that you, or Fred, are being at all open-minded, or even really listening (well, more like reading, but y'know what I mean) to what I'm saying.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, my mind is still boggling as to why this particular topic has so outraged certain people, and it seems to have got to the point where the topic originally discusses is no longer the topic anymore.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-45246631148464458972007-04-14T15:48:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:48:00.000+00:00Amy, actually, you have been pretty fair, well com...Amy, actually, you have been pretty fair, well compared to the usual femcunts who love censoring, so props for that. (Although you did not delete Fred's post by accident) <BR/><BR/>So to avoid getting banned, even though I don't like to do it, I will tone down my language. Now back to the original post of yours. You have been challenged by Fred to go over and have a good debate with him. How about you go to his blog, and have a proper debate?Tom Leykis fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16024955868921721959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-5416196772285062512007-04-14T15:41:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:41:00.000+00:00Well, you and your friends do add fuel to my femin...Well, you and your friends <B>do</B> add fuel to my feminist fire.<BR/>You just make me realise how stupid some people actually are. <BR/><BR/>And I don't like deleting comments, but some of your comments really did over cross the line. And it's not as if I haven't been warning people. I've been pretty damn fair.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-16501557182170929932007-04-14T15:38:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:38:00.000+00:00You should be thankful, I'm the one who brought al...You should be thankful, I'm the one who brought all of this attention to your blog.Tom Leykis fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16024955868921721959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-38246897434292138482007-04-14T15:36:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:36:00.000+00:00O, I am sorry, but "Feminist Scum"...you are REALL...O, I am sorry, but "Feminist Scum"...you are REALLY beginning to piss me off now.<BR/><BR/>I <B>will</B> delete your comments, because you're just getting to be really nasty and childish, and I'm really not in the mood to deal with any of your bullshit.<BR/><BR/>If any of you fuckers don't like it, well fuck off.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-44060168398782762312007-04-14T15:35:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:35:00.000+00:00Also, you've been challenged by Fred on his blog, ...Also, you've been challenged by Fred on his blog, and I know for a fact he NEVER censors. You have your freedom to prove him wrong, so go and damn well do it.Tom Leykis fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16024955868921721959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-75472677003783992162007-04-14T15:34:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:34:00.000+00:00Umm...I don't really see it like that.You're makin...Umm...<BR/>I don't really see it like that.<BR/>You're making assumptions about me, and telling me how I'm feeling, when it's just not true, and THAT gets me mad. <BR/><BR/><I>"by your statements one who enjoys the admiration and company of men"</I>. Please, this isn't me criticising or tearing your point down, but please remind me where these statements are, because I don't remember them. Really.<BR/><BR/>I do not personally CARE if I am attractive to men or not. In the past, yes I have. I suffered from really shitty self esteem. <BR/>But, no more.<BR/><BR/>I personally LOVE my body. I LOVE being me. I personally think I'm attractive, BUT I am NOT conventional looking, I don't think. I'm more of an acquired taste I guess, but I like that. It makes me feel good about myself, in a way. <BR/><BR/>I LOVE, by the way, how NATURAL my body is. Hair on legs and all. I love my imperfections, as well as the more attractive parts. <BR/><BR/>And so I am confident with myself. I have a good personality. And I don't have any problems with attracting a guy I want, hairy legs or not. <BR/><BR/>I <B>HAVE</B> accepted myself the way I am. So don't you tell me that I haven't.<BR/><BR/>This post wasn't so much about <B>me</B>. Since I choose <B>not</B> to shave my legs. It was about POSSIBLE reasons WHY some women DO shave their legs. <BR/><BR/>And I <B>know</B> that women can't exactly have it all. But that's not feminism lying. It's really not. I would go into it, but I have other stuff to say. But, it's partly because feminism hasn't achieved ENOUGH yet for women to have it all.<BR/><BR/>I'm NOT saying that there's anything wrong with men. I haven't fucking said that. Don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say.<BR/><BR/>The feminist route isn't about eschewing men. That is the seperatist feminist route. Don't just generalise.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509568640461990551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-26032246120028402742007-04-14T15:33:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:33:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tom Leykis fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16024955868921721959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-81474913729545721992007-04-14T15:31:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:31:00.000+00:00Just like I said, its like shouting at a brick wal...Just like I said, its like shouting at a brick wall. There is no point in this, as you always THINK you’re right and even pointing this out does nothing. Once more for the simple futility of it: maybe if you approached these subjects with something more of an open mind, people mind be more inclined to discuss these things with you. All you’re arguments do is infuriate people with their sheer pointlessness. That all I have got to say to you on this, as talking to you is a waste of time and energy, since you’re head is up your arse you’re just surrounded by shit, and don’t even seem to care let alone notice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2254476193562168417.post-3471649489652384202007-04-14T15:22:00.000+00:002007-04-14T15:22:00.000+00:00"But that's what I'm saying. Over here in the West..."But that's what I'm saying. Over here in the West, we like to pat ourselves on the back and say, yes we do have civil rights, we are democratic, bla bla bla bla."<BR/><BR/>Well, you seem to pay far too much attention to the media. Journalistic integrity never survives first contact with the all mighty dollar.<BR/><BR/>I still don't hate your body, and neither does teh "patriarchy" (tm). It is you who appears to have some unresolved feelings that run somewhere between your desire to be free of societal pressure, and your desire to be attractive to men. You care. And you know what? You'll feel a whole lot better about yourself when you accept yourself for what you are. <BR/><BR/>You are woman, and by your statements one who enjoys the admiration and company of men, but doesn't like the trappings that go with shaving. What you don't like is that society has made it an "either, or" dilemma for you. You want their attention with no strings attached, one of feminism's biggest lies tries to tell you that you can have it both ways. It's pretty well guaranteed that you won't get the attention you crave from what you consider high-caliber men unless you comply with their particular preference-you can sacrifice your time in order to gain their attention. You could compromise, and accept a few flaws in the men you seek attention from, and you probably will receive some male attention regardless of whether or not you shave. Or you could go the feminist route, and do whatever you feel like at the moment, totally eschewing men altogether, but this will not satisfy your desires for male attention. <BR/><BR/>Whatever you choose, there's nothing wrong with men, they will still be men at the end of the day. You want out of this dilemma? Start by accepting that you want male attention. Realize that male attention comes with a price-tag. Consider what you're willing to sacrifice to get male attention. Feminists will tell you that the price is too high, and perhaps they are correct, maybe it is too high, but this will <B>not bring you any peace.</B> You will still want male attention, and no amount of rationalizing will make that go away. And finally, accept that there's always a cost associated with your actions, and while the choice is yours, <B>do not blame the consequences on us.</B> Either you can have the right to self-determination, or you can have absolution of responsibility, but you <B>cannot have both!</B>TimberWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435295482438507502noreply@blogger.com